Saddened

It saddnes me on how certain people conduct themselves. I enjoy my hobby and all that goes with it, however, what i see happening on here and the "other site", saddens me. I have been in the sport for 4 years, and in that time i,ve witnesed a split in fife, a split in scotland, split on the internet pigeon sites and to top it off been at the recieving end of an arson attack. It makes me wonder at times, why i am involved. It would be realy nice for the sport to get on with one and another, and enjoy our birds. To air your dirty laundry on open forum or victimise someone not the way to do it. It appears there are people hell bent on ruining this great sport or the people within it. Lets try and bring some ray of light to the sport in these dark days, its not all doom and gloom. all the best alex. Thumbs up :: Thank you

well i fully agree with youer statement

sorry mate but i knew i would get hassel from the truth i gave enjoy the site it wont last long cos the truth is out there ::

maid08 wrote:sorry mate but i knew i would get hassel from the truth i gave enjoy the site it wont last long cos the truth is out there ::

but you havent said the truth maid have you or you going to admit to planning to beat richard up at blackpool? our sport dont need you maid and your sort needs out of it for good asides you aint said the truth yet have you maid? youve given us a snippet of what you done and we all want to know the full story maid so we know who were dealing with and why you got banned from more places than bin laden

not nice to cattlae these comments try keeping them to our thread i will make somethings up in bit to keep you happy or please tel us what i have done youerself starting with what car i own

Thanks joe for not keeping to the thread, this is my sentiments exactly. If you have an issue with chris deal with chris and dont sabotage every post thats up for discussion, yours, alex.

catelae lofts wrote:Thanks joe for not keeping to the thread, this is my sentiments exactly. If you have an issue with chris deal with chris and dont sabotage every post thats up for discussion, yours, alex.

it is keeping to thread catelae lofts maid is a bad man who done all damage check his pm box its full of what he planned with the other forum

i dont have personal issues with maid except hes playing with peoples lives and you are too blind to see it why the feck should i go find other courier because maid harrassed one i got to closure no fe-cking chance maid is a bully and a liar and ... well he should tell you all the rest :flip:

Lets try and bring some ray of light to the sport in these dark days, its not all doom and gloom. all the best alex

So this is your ray of light is it?, harrasing another member. You have issues that you need to deal with chris and not through the wrong post. alex

ps i,m not blind.

Joe wrote:

catelae lofts wrote:Thanks joe for not keeping to the thread, this is my sentiments exactly. If you have an issue with chris deal with chris and dont sabotage every post thats up for discussion, yours, alex.

it is keeping to thread catelae lofts maid is a bad man who done all damage check his pm box its full of what he planned with the other forum

i dont have personal issues with maid except hes playing with peoples lives and you are too blind to see it why the feck should i go find other courier because maid harrassed one i got to closure no fe-cking chance maid is a bully and a liar and ... well he should tell you all the rest :flip:

I think you will find everything chris says about the thug tracker is true. Its your choice to bury your head in the sand and champion the cause of this liar as its a free country and lets face it way back in the 30's some people didnt think hitler was bad either

well me i dont like maid08 but i at least have guts and decencey not to disrupt anothers post

which is courtious ripsaw

well dont get to carried away i just aint rude

ha ha ha it seems as if i got fa club harresing me im on off other sites yet you can only find me here ha ::

dont get carried away??? i was merely replying to your reply. ::

yea well thats okay then son

Joe wrote:

catelae lofts wrote:Thanks joe for not keeping to the thread, this is my sentiments exactly. If you have an issue with chris deal with chris and dont sabotage every post thats up for discussion, yours, alex.

it is keeping to thread catelae lofts maid is a bad man who done all damage check his pm box its full of what he planned with the other forum

i dont have personal issues with maid except hes playing with peoples lives and you are too blind to see it why the feck should i go find other courier because maid harrassed one i got to closure no fucking chance maid is a bully and a liar and ... well he should tell you all the rest :flip:

Joe
I an very interested in how you can ask someone to read a members private message box as if you and other members have access to it

I think you do have personal issues with Chris as you seem to be attacking him every chance you get

Maybe if you asked specific questions off people then instead of broad questions or accusations you may get specific answers

A number of members on here including myself have had dealings with Pigeon Tracker and I can tell you the man is a liar and guilty of harassment, obviously when you attack someone they will defend themselves whether it be me or PT, forums are here to post your opinion and if everyone believes PT then he will be none the worse but if everyone believes the number of us about how he lies and harasses others then he needs to take account of the way he has acted

ripsaw you realy do have a way with words :reading:

DOVEScot wrote:

Joe wrote:

catelae lofts wrote:Thanks joe for not keeping to the thread, this is my sentiments exactly. If you have an issue with chris deal with chris and dont sabotage every post thats up for discussion, yours, alex.

it is keeping to thread catelae lofts maid is a bad man who done all damage check his pm box its full of what he planned with the other forum

i dont have personal issues with maid except hes playing with peoples lives and you are too blind to see it why the feck should i go find other courier because maid harrassed one i got to closure no fucking chance maid is a bully and a liar and ... well he should tell you all the rest :flip:

Joe
I an very interested in how you can ask someone to read a members private message box as if you and other members have access to it

I think you do have personal issues with Chris as you seem to be attacking him every chance you get

Maybe if you asked specific questions off people then instead of broad questions or accusations you may get specific answers

A number of members on here including myself have had dealings with Pigeon Tracker and I can tell you the man is a liar and guilty of harassment, obviously when you attack someone they will defend themselves whether it be me or PT, forums are here to post your opinion and if everyone believes PT then he will be none the worse but if everyone believes the number of us about how he lies and harasses others then he needs to take account of the way he has acted

i was forwarded the messages to my mailbox DOVEScot from every personal message that boy had and not ounce of evidence shows any of your claims you have any you can put for me to change my mind id be glad to see them i need to know whether i should just kill my birds now before they pair fully rather than get them laying and not have courier to send them out with god knows i tried but none can do what tracker did simple as if maid has let him be like he should have i wouldnt be worrying for birds which cost me arm and leg

specific question

1. why is maid harrassing tracker to the degree of closure and to take trackers own words causing serious distress to his family
2. is maid behind new courier setup?

i havent started being personal with him DOVEScot if i had hed know it but i havent and have no intention to lower myself i just know him a little more than you lot do simple as if anyone is a thug it aint tracker its maid everyone talking of tracker and how bad his business has been damaged for false claims by maid and now people will start to stand up for tracker because they see the lies posted i certainly will and lots will follow cant understand why he hasnt been nicked yet? it will happen no doubt probably just gathering more evidence against him? who knows :judge:

specific enough?

I JUST WANT MY BIRDS OUT ------ GET IT :flip:

man still cant give me what car i have so therefore making clear fool of youer self nicked lets see who is nicked so you have all my personal messages sent to you how stupid you sound as they are all on my personal file here i wiped all of them of other site oh well big boy get personal cos you obviously have no idea who you are talking to you aint even got the sense to say my crimes but never mind all that the car is such a simple thing to say awwwwwwww you cant can you never mind love you tablets help youer problem out

and his bussnes damaged what one social security dont know he has bussness or houseing benifit ow dear you just caused him lots trouble with youer gob hope he thanks you for that

Joe wrote:

maid08 wrote:sorry mate but i knew i would get hassel from the truth i gave enjoy the site it wont last long cos the truth is out there ::

but you havent said the truth maid have you or you going to admit to planning to beat richard up at blackpool? our sport dont need you maid and your sort needs out of it for good asides you aint said the truth yet have you maid? youve given us a snippet of what you done and we all want to know the full story maid so we know who were dealing with and why you got banned from more places than bin laden

............... :Not a chance: I HOPE IM MISS READING THIS I HOPE NOBODY HAS IT IN THERE HEAD TO ASSAULT RICHARD AT THE SHOW COZ IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!!!!! ALEX YOU ARE RIGHT IS THERE NO RAY OF SUNSHINE IN ALL THIS GLOOM????..... :thumbs down: :thumbs down: :Not a chance:

Joe wrote:

DOVEScot wrote:

Joe wrote:

catelae lofts wrote:Thanks joe for not keeping to the thread, this is my sentiments exactly. If you have an issue with chris deal with chris and dont sabotage every post thats up for discussion, yours, alex.

it is keeping to thread catelae lofts maid is a bad man who done all damage check his pm box its full of what he planned with the other forum

i dont have personal issues with maid except hes playing with peoples lives and you are too blind to see it why the feck should i go find other courier because maid harrassed one i got to closure no fucking chance maid is a bully and a liar and ... well he should tell you all the rest :flip:

Joe
I an very interested in how you can ask someone to read a members private message box as if you and other members have access to it

I think you do have personal issues with Chris as you seem to be attacking him every chance you get

Maybe if you asked specific questions off people then instead of broad questions or accusations you may get specific answers

A number of members on here including myself have had dealings with Pigeon Tracker and I can tell you the man is a liar and guilty of harassment, obviously when you attack someone they will defend themselves whether it be me or PT, forums are here to post your opinion and if everyone believes PT then he will be none the worse but if everyone believes the number of us about how he lies and harasses others then he needs to take account of the way he has acted

i was forwarded the messages to my mailbox DOVEScot from every personal message that boy had and not ounce of evidence shows any of your claims you have any you can put for me to change my mind id be glad to see them i need to know whether i should just kill my birds now before they pair fully rather than get them laying and not have courier to send them out with god knows i tried but none can do what tracker did simple as if maid has let him be like he should have i wouldnt be worrying for birds which cost me arm and leg

specific question

1. why is maid harrassing tracker to the degree of closure and to take trackers own words causing serious distress to his family
2. is maid behind new courier setup?

i havent started being personal with him DOVEScot if i had hed know it but i havent and have no intention to lower myself i just know him a little more than you lot do simple as if anyone is a thug it aint tracker its maid everyone talking of tracker and how bad his business has been damaged for false claims by maid and now people will start to stand up for tracker because they see the lies posted i certainly will and lots will follow cant understand why he hasnt been nicked yet? it will happen no doubt probably just gathering more evidence against him? who knows :judge:

specific enough?

I JUST WANT MY BIRDS OUT ------ GET IT :flip:

Yes I get it..........I have never said anything against trackers service apart from he was a day late in picking birds up from me so if he left it at that he would have been fine, but no he had had to try and belitte me by telling lies when he returned to the site
He accused me on the site of being racist when I spoke to him in person, yet it was him that made the racist comments about my birds ending up as asian pigeon pie.
He telephone my house and implied he could get his sons to call and smash my head in, although it ir right that it is against the law to record telephone conversations and use them it is not ilegal to record them for your own use.
What about this, only me, you and tracker meet up someplace and you can decide foryourself who is telling the truth when we speak

Copied before I was banned and they take me to court for coptright then that is their choice

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/v-search/p-2/

Quoted from DOVEScot

Dovescot
One thing that millionaires love is telling everyone that they are, not a secret, even my neighbors heard him

PigeonTracker
Actually Duncan there were no neighbours about or they would have heard the comments on your worries about pigeon pie and thought you to be a racist. (No need to go further into that as what I discussed with you I took to be in confidence). When you post can you do people a favour, give them all the facts and not select snippets, it helps them get a clearer picture of why your actually feeling the need to post about conversations.

£2 or £2 million makes no odds to me, the point I made to you at the time was that Pigeon Tracker aren't doing it purley for the money but for the love of the sport and as fanciers, and for me personally it was for the love of meeting people like you and the thousands of other charectors out there both good and bad.

On that note I'll reply to your earlier post where your asking for all bar the key to our lofts so you can go "Inspect things". As a non fancier and a non courier related businessman I don't expect you to understand certain things so I'll tell you. Firstly, go and ask the Royal mail if you can go and see their sorting offices because your concerned at how your mail is getting delivered, it would be the same with every courier company who'd tell you the same answer, I'm guessing the answer would be polite but would start with the letter N and end with the letter O.

With Pigeons its a little different, for the lofts people are welcome to come and see them, our first official one is in Aberdeen with Kevin Elliiot, make an appointment with him and I'm sure he'd be happy to show you around, the same will apply with every other holding loft as we have nothing to hide. As for the secure units the birds are then transferred to for an evening during transit we would not be showing you these for the obvious reason that many of these birds are very expensive, we protect this fact hence the secrecy needed on where our units are. To the contrary of your cynisism, often unwarranted, Pigeon Tracker actually knows what its doing and has put a lot of thought into how things are run.

We welcome feedback from fanciers as it will always go to help us improve our service and make it the best in the Country. What we don't welcome though is uneducated comments being made that are likely to cast aspertions on any courier company regardless of who they are. If top breeders around the country are happy to use our system and so are thousands of fanciers of all sizes then that's pretty much a good indication that we're doing things right.

The original post was about Cooper Logisitics being a "Bunch of Idiots", lets respect this forum and the original poster by keeping these threads on track is it.

Joe I am calling Tracker a liar here and now so tell him to take me to court! His business is built on lies, threats and a sham!! And why the hell would grown men plan to assault Richard? Chris isn't planning any such thing but I did put it to Richard himself that he has upset a lot of people over this and the fact there is an awfull lot more of me than him, still wouldnt feel safe wandering round Blackpool with hundreds of people with their backs up and 10 pints of cider washing round in them. Think about that its a funny world we live in is it not! He also admits he has made mistakes on this and is going to look into and sort it all out once and for all so give it a rest now and lets see what comes of it. You never know you might just be left with egg on your face. We will see!

GANGSTER wrote:

Joe wrote:

maid08 wrote:sorry mate but i knew i would get hassel from the truth i gave enjoy the site it wont last long cos the truth is out there ::

but you havent said the truth maid have you or you going to admit to planning to beat richard up at blackpool? our sport dont need you maid and your sort needs out of it for good asides you aint said the truth yet have you maid? youve given us a snippet of what you done and we all want to know the full story maid so we know who were dealing with and why you got banned from more places than bin laden

............... :Not a chance: I HOPE IM MISS READING THIS I HOPE NOBODY HAS IT IN THERE HEAD TO ASSAULT RICHARD AT THE SHOW COZ IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!!!!! ALEX YOU ARE RIGHT IS THERE NO RAY OF SUNSHINE IN ALL THIS GLOOM????..... :thumbs down: :thumbs down: :Not a chance:

01:16:11 16/01/09] maid08 : i am cos i want to clout richard but want to be out in morning

GANGSTER . IS THIS NOT A THREAT

Gangster it looks like the ray of light aint going to happen, pity. alex.

im very dismayed that nothings moving on still bitterness thats not needed!!!!!!!! i dont want to fall out with no body but ill not stand there n see anyone assaulted ....and when the idiots that keep jumping both sites giving it out realise no body wins we all lose out there maybe a chance of the sites reaching some gentlemans agreement.......... in reply to you alex my heart goes out 2 you after all thats happened to you too see all this going on....mick

cheers mick, i think thats why it hurts so much to see all the unnecessary arguing, after what happened to me. But when you get a reply like yours, you know that its not all bad, and that there are genuine guys out there (and girls). So thanks for that mate, best regards alex.

well as grown man why would i hit boy wanting to and doing is diffrent thing as to wills comment are you joe or will make up youer mind but you are getting very tiresum and as mick says as we can come to agreement with richard it seems that is not what you want but you also hide so aint bothered the problems you are cauesing to both sites butthe time will arise were you are found out then were will you go

when i was in army there were plenty bullys about these two top the lot will anit talking sense joe is hideing behind screen and as bullys do hide not show their true idenity me im nomate of maidments but happy to put my name here if i want to so if i say nasty things im honest joe bud you cant even say what car he got yet blab you know him will you dont know diddly just being carried by fools now im nigal frances maidment knows me i live in newport race birds south we have had our words but he wont duck dive he faces what he has to so the guy who started this thread to read youer bad problems but blokes like maidment would be first to be there

catelae lofts wrote:cheers mick, i think thats why it hurts so much to see all the unnecessary arguing, after what happened to me. But when you get a reply like yours, you know that its all bad, and that there are genuine guys out there (and girls). So thanks for that mate, best regards alex.

Alex do you think I'm not a genuine guy? I will speak the truth and am honest to a fault. What I have to say I say, I will not tolerate being threatened though which is how I got dragged into all this in the first place and have been in contact with Richard from the other site informing him of things that have gone on and are going on still without him knowing. I have given him the benifit of my advice and knowlege of exactly what is going on and he says he will look into the things and sort them out as soon as he can so dont think that no one wants a peaceful happy family as maybe some of us are trying to do more to make things better than you might think. I have thought pigeon racing should look after its own more for a very long time as no one else will do it for us!

well mark shortly i will withdraw from this site and do what i know best with problems knock on door and deal with it my way

maid08 wrote:well mark shortly i will withdraw from this site and do what i know best with problems knock on door and deal with it my way

No need to withdraw from site mate to sort it in your own way

catelae lofts wrote:It saddnes me on how certain people conduct themselves. I enjoy my hobby and all that goes with it, however, what i see happening on here and the "other site", saddens me. I have been in the sport for 4 years, and in that time i,ve witnesed a split in fife, a split in scotland, split on the internet pigeon sites and to top it off been at the recieving end of an arson attack. It makes me wonder at times, why i am involved. It would be realy nice for the sport to get on with one and another, and enjoy our birds. To air your dirty laundry on open forum or victimise someone not the way to do it. It appears there are people hell bent on ruining this great sport or the people within it. Lets try and bring some ray of light to the sport in these dark days, its not all doom and gloom. all the best alex. Thumbs up :: Thank you

i for one have to agree, i too have only been racing for two yrs and enjoy every moment of it, this year especially as iv'e taken a fed card and got 1st club with others, but the argumnts some continue to partisapate in just has put a dampenner on me using the sites i want to enjoy a chat and get some good advice when needed
do as i do switch off when its going on

superstar wrote:

catelae lofts wrote:cheers mick, i think thats why it hurts so much to see all the unnecessary arguing, after what happened to me. But when you get a reply like yours, you know that its all bad, and that there are genuine guys out there (and girls). So thanks for that mate, best regards alex.

Alex do you think I'm not a genuine guy? I will speak the truth and am honest to a fault. What I have to say I say, I will not tolerate being threatened though which is how I got dragged into all this in the first place and have been in contact with Richard from the other site informing him of things that have gone on and are going on still without him knowing. I have given him the benifit of my advice and knowlege of exactly what is going on and he says he will look into the things and sort them out as soon as he can so dont think that no one wants a peaceful happy family as maybe some of us are trying to do more to make things better than you might think. I have thought pigeon racing should look after its own more for a very long time as no one else will do it for us!

i didnt indicate who was or wasnt genuine, sorry for any confusion caused, and no offence intended, alex.

superstar wrote:Joe I am calling Tracker a liar here and now so tell him to take me to court! His business is built on lies, threats and a sham!! And why the hell would grown men plan to assault Richard? Chris isn't planning any such thing but I did put it to Richard himself that he has upset a lot of people over this and the fact there is an awfull lot more of me than him, still wouldnt feel safe wandering round Blackpool with hundreds of people with their backs up and 10 pints of cider washing round in them. Think about that its a funny world we live in is it not! He also admits he has made mistakes on this and is going to look into and sort it all out once and for all so give it a rest now and lets see what comes of it. You never know you might just be left with egg on your face. We will see!

i dont know why they would plan an attack on this boy hes only two stone soaking wet but you fellas did just that in chat other night so i was informed now you want to challenge me on that? :Not a chance:

i will be in blackpool the vino dont do cider and watching his back for him no worries on that one so for once will give it a rest and see what we will see :reading:

good so i will know who to see then

Joe wrote:

superstar wrote:Joe I am calling Tracker a liar here and now so tell him to take me to court! His business is built on lies, threats and a sham!! And why the hell would grown men plan to assault Richard? Chris isn't planning any such thing but I did put it to Richard himself that he has upset a lot of people over this and the fact there is an awfull lot more of me than him, still wouldnt feel safe wandering round Blackpool with hundreds of people with their backs up and 10 pints of cider washing round in them. Think about that its a funny world we live in is it not! He also admits he has made mistakes on this and is going to look into and sort it all out once and for all so give it a rest now and lets see what comes of it. You never know you might just be left with egg on your face. We will see!

i dont know why they would plan an attack on this boy hes only two stone soaking wet but you fellas did just that in chat other night so i was informed now you want to challenge me on that? :Not a chance:

i will be in blackpool the vino dont do cider and watching his back for him no worries on that one so for once will give it a rest and see what we will see :reading:

Joe and his shadow Tracker. Hope the lights don't go out, cos there will only be one then :Very Funny:

lenwadebob wrote:Joe and his shadow Tracker. Hope the lights don't go out, cos there will only be one then :Very Funny:

YOU GOT IT AT LAST! i dont want to be without tracker you fool because when i am im out of sport and birds in bin :Not a chance:

Joe wrote:

lenwadebob wrote:Joe and his shadow Tracker. Hope the lights don't go out, cos there will only be one then :Very Funny:

YOU GOT IT AT LAST! i dont want to be without tracker you fool because when i am im out of sport and birds in bin :Not a chance:

Oh I got it OK .......... but you haven't obviously.

i aint getting into conflict with who joes upsetting so im off for look round other sites been there got hurt but so did he done dusted

don't you call lenwadebob a fool joe, he's no fool but you are, you better watch your back too if your'e going to blackpool, your'e an idiot just leave people alone and get on with what your doing, and while on the subject I asked where you from what area I meant not your flaming address

ice maiden wrote:don't you call lenwadebob a fool joe, he's no fool but you are, you better watch your back too if your'e going to blackpool, your'e an idiot just leave people alone and get on with what your doing, and while on the subject I asked where you from what area I meant not your flaming address

His address is: NO FIXED ADDRESS ice maiden. Like a gypsies dog, here, there and everywhere

I thought he was being polite calling me a fool. Been called worse, but water of a ducks back

aye you can say that again, perhaps he's staying at his majestys address, they got plenty of computers there :Very Funny:

and I don't mean buckingham palace :Very Funny: :Very Funny:

i know he's in the shed sobing

yea someone else said that to mate must be cold

poor little thing :cheesy: